Lesley Gore and the Gay Christian Experience- The Good Fruit Pod

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Fears. Cunty. T. Fierce. Slay. The house. Boots. Gorgeous. Gordina. Gordina. Tortina. Tortia! Tortia! Tortia! Tortias! That was a good intro. Thank you. Um, that's perfect for what we're talking about! Leslie Gore! talking about Jesus today. Yeah. Well, alright, we're talking about the things that we need to know for this pod, that you need to know, that Carrington needs to know. Yeah, I, there's a lot of stuff that I'm, I learned from you. Thank you. I'm telling you, I'm here for vibes and just general good spirit. But you teach me a lot of the things. Thank you. We're trying not to be serious today. Yeah, we're trying to keep it more, we're working on the lighthearted part. Yeah, that's, yeah. Of this pod, because that's a big part of it. And I'm trying to teach y'all about Jesus to my best of my ability. We are trying to indoctrinate you. Mm hmm, we're trying to convert. We need you to hear the good message. All the gays were actually just trying to. They're like, oh! Yeah. Stop! Don't make me complain about somebody. You're welcome. Well, yeah, but like, you turned this podcast on knowing what it was. Yeah, you did. I mean, you're, you're purposely clicking on the video or the podcast. That's what they came here for. You came here for us to indoctrinate you. So, here we are. That was good, you're right. The way you said it was so like, I'm serious! Again, I have no time for bullshit. I'm just gonna If I'm gonna be mean, I'm mean. I'm sorry. Okay, no, it's okay. Sorry. It's coming from a good place. I'll pray for you. Oh, I need it. Okay. Okay. So we're doing this pod episode. We are going over some of the basics of like, what you need to know. And the reason I think that this episode is important is because my goal in starting this podcast, it's not just trying to be another God loves you, even though you're gay, yeah, God loves the gays, like, I get it very quickly, but like, I remember people would be like, how do you know? And I'd be like, I don't know. And I was like, I need to figure that out for myself. people would reassure me, but I was like, on what basis? True. And so. Just a feeling. Yeah. I don't know, I was like, so. And just feel it. Okay, great. And, I, that's what this pod is, and that's what makes our pod a little bit different. I'm not trying to put down anyone else, like any of the other people that I've talked on this pod. But I think our delivery is also different of it too, but we're trying to give you biblical facts and back it up with evidence. Yeah. Hit em. Hit em with Matthew 27. Hit em with the Corinthians. Yeah. Hit em with Genesis. Yeah. Leviticus. You know what? Those are tough. Those are tough because those are the ones that I'm like, that'll get ya. And that's probably why I remember them. And that was those, that's probably why those are the ones that I was like, uh, uh. Peter? No. No, he, he was all right. Who's the guy that you didn't like? There was a Peter. Peter. Peter. No, Peter. I don't like him. Peter. Peter. I, I know that Jesus loved him or whatever, and I know that they were best. He loves everyone. Yeah. He can't possibly love everyone. Yeah. There's gotta be some dickhead that he didn't like Satan, Judas. No. He even loved Judas. He did, right? Yeah, I think so. He knew he was gonna. Teach me more about the God and then Jesus. I am gonna talk about God and Jesus First though I want to talk about why we're doing this Oh! Um, and a large part, again, yes, we want to prove with like, evidence and Somewhat logic. Yes. If we can. However, also, I talked about in the previous episode, like, I need to work on not saying like. Like, um, no. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, anyway, um, I'm like, what the? Yeah, that tastes like a white claw. Maybe that's why I'm so silly. You're like with kids, drink your root beer. Yeah! And then you have to be like, That pasta had wine in it? Oh my god. I'm hungover. This is a vodka sauce? Yeah.. Slumped. Okay, in a previous episode we talked about dumbing it down, and explaining the Gospels, explaining the stories in the Bible, blah blah blah, taking it slow. and I talked about how we're doing this because there are possibly some queers who haven't dived into the Bible because it's it's hurtful. And also, like, I'm sorry, not to cut you off, there's, it's big. I mean, there's the internet, but it's also like, kind of hard to like, where do I start reading the Bible, like, genuinely at Genesis? Like, I don't know. Yeah, cause, say you're like, I want to get to know Jesus, even though I'm gay and I actually, again, I have my notes, because I kind of want to explain, the the homosexual Christian experience Usually if someone's like, where do I start in the Bible? A lot of Christians will tell you start in the New Testament because that's where Jesus's story starts. Yeah. And then you go into the New Testament and you're like, cool, what do you have to say? And then you're reading and then you go into the book of Matthew, which is like a huge, Jesus loving tells about Jesus being nice and da da's, parables and stuff. Well, then it's like, There were people, making shameful acts, lovemaking acts with people of their same sex, And you're like, dang, Something I thought was beautiful, making love to my person. Someone's calling that shameful love! Yeah, that's disgusting. And then, I keep reading and I'm like, Okay, I'ma, I'ma ignore it. I'ma ignore it. Pass over that. I'm just gonna, I'll dive into that later. Yeah, And then I'm like, alright, Mercy, we'll get into this later. So then I keep going. And then I have the next one. You hit frickin I don't know if these are in order, but, 1 Timothy 8 9 10 And that's the verse that's like the thieves and the murderers and the homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. And I'm like, and I hate that one because I'm like, I'm not a murder, like a rapist. Yeah, lumping it in doesn't feel like the same thing now. But what I wanted to say was that I don't, I don't know how true it is, but I've seen it a lot. And I did research during 2020. When I had nothing to do, but it was like that phrase homosexuality. Let's we can probably talk into I'm sure you know that wasn't necessarily the word. I mean, we talked about it in a Bible class It's Greek, especially has so many different meanings for one word. So it's like, love is like 14 different meanings in Greek at least And so that word, it got morphed and it was originally like pedophilia kind of deal where it's like man shall not lay with like little boy, but I think it got turned into homosexuality in like the fifties. Yes. So then I want to talk about at some point the translation of it all. That is interesting to me because it's written by humans. Like these books are written by people. They're from God, but they're humans writing it. And then humans are translating it. It's like the number one translated book ever. So it's like, what does that look like in every language? Because words are different in every language. Yeah. And that's a huge, discrepancy. And it's hard because especially for me, someone who's like, the Bible is the truth. The Bible is God's word. I'm like, okay, well, there were fallible humans who wrote it. And there were parts that were left out that people found later. And I do believe to, a large extent what's in there, is what God intended to be in there. And especially when I was coming out, it was hard for me to, try to distinguish the words like that and not question that, because I was like, that does seem wrong to be categorized. What is that translation? Yeah, next to murderers. Yeah, I was like, hold on, like, that can't be. Thieves and murderers. Um, and that Greek translation, I forget the word. Honestly, we could do an episode. Maybe we should do that for the next episode. That'd be kind of fun. Because that stuff is gross. I read into like what they Wait, what is? I read into what that like word was supposed to mean. Oh. And like what they referred to as homosexuality in the past. Cause it was rampant. Can we just say ancient Greece was gay. I'm sorry. And it was like bad gay. Yeah, it was like little kids gay. They were children, but sometimes it was like young, it was like young boys. Yeah, and it was a power thing. It was, a lust thing. And at first I was like, I didn't think it was that bad. And then as I started reading into it, I was like, what? Like, shout out to Matthew West, in the book, God and the Gay Christian. Oh, he describes it really well. And I also did my own separate, research. I looked into the Greek and the Roman etymology of all that and what that looks like. And even if you study it in the Old Testament, where there is a reference to Homosexual acts in Genesis and what people were doing there. And God was like, Hey, don't be doing stuff. Women stop, don't be doing stuff with women. But it was like, but they're like boobies. Yeah. But it was also like straight girls just being like, stop They were just doing it to get a fix essentially. Yeah. And there was some stuff also that they were making sex, like a form of worship to God. Oh. We could it actually could be a whole episode. Let's do it. Yeah, Well, what else? Ha! Oh my god. Okay, so we're gonna go into stuff like that. Yeah. Um, you run into that, right? You run into the whole, okay, well Greek translation, but then you're not sure and you're like, okay, I can't do a million hours of research on it right now. So then you keep going, you're like, maybe they'll say something different. Jesus is forgiving, right? And then maybe they'll say something different. It's crazy. And then you get to the freaking, you keep reading. Very last book. You're waiting to the end. Revelations. It's so scary. I don't know about you. I feel like it really impacted The times that I did try to focus on it, I was like alright. My grandma took like a whole class on it. Apparently it was a whole class. But honestly I get that because when I read it, I was like, Huh? They're doing huh? There's a what? There's a who? There's a cloud? There's a what? There's a cloud! How big are you? Nope. How many eyes? I'd be so scared. Dude, yeah. Now when it's like, Mary saw an angel. Yeah. I'd be like, Ah! Vividly accurate angels. Those things are crazy. That's something I would get tattooed on my body Those are sick, bro They kind of look kind of dope. But if you imagine seeing that just like what if it came through this light ring and like And be like, do not be afraid! And we'd be like, OH MY GOD! I'd be, I'd be, running. You can leave me here. I'm sorry. I'd be like, yeah, that's an angel. Yeah, you guys are hanging out, I'm like, I'm going home. I have to go home to my mom. I have to my mom. Dang, I'd get in trouble, huh? For going home to your mom? By God. It's like I sent someone down to you. Well, then it's just Jonah. He ran from God. That's true. Thank you. See, I know my books sometimes. I know my stories. God would make me get eaten by a whale. He'd make you get eaten by a cat outside. You'd get eaten by a cat. I have a ton of cats outside in my neighborhood. That big one that I hate. Chonky is eating on your flesh. Pinning you to the ground. I hate that cat. Jail. Jail. Okay, okay. You read, and you read, and you're like, maybe it'll change, and then you get to Revelations, the scary book. Yeah. Chapter 21, verse 8, they, as in like the people who are sinners and like Gentiles and don't believe in stuff, will have their part in the sea of ever burning fire, which is the second death. Yes. And you're like, man. Damn. Damn. I got into hell here and there again. Yeah, I went through that. And I was like, huh? It's just never gonna get better? Yeah, it keeps getting worse. Yeah. you can see why so many queers are like, All right. Yeah, and then, so you're trying to go to this book, which is the main source, right? Yeah. Of God's word and like, all loving God and blah blah blah. Yeah. And then it's just like you're going to hell. Well, sorry. Uh uh. Uh uh, well, looks like you have an attraction you can't stop. Well, death. Yeah, and then also, yeah, let's get into that really quick because I think it's easy to think, like, we'll just be celibate if you can't control it, or like, Or like bisexual people. Why don't you just choose to be a man. Or same with a man. Choose to be a man. I'm like, okay. Okay. Um. Or being pansexual. Yeah, it's like, why don't you just pick the one that's right. Yeah. Because it's a love attraction. Yeah, and It's hard being surrounded by that and then having all these people trying to tell you what to do and then going to the bible and then god talks about salvation and then here jesus is like you have to turn away from your sins to know me because this sin is like I can't, I'm constantly trying to escape it. It's really awful trying to not be who you are. Um, I mean, I don't know about you, it's something that I feel like, even if I wasn't actively thinking about it, it took up energy, me unconsciously thinking about it. My entire life. Yeah. And I, I wonder how that feels for straight people sometimes. I'm like, never think about that. Mm hmm. It's like, the sin of anger, letting your anger get the best of you, is something that only comes, when you get triggered. Uh, I guess same with, sexuality in a way, but when you find your person to, ignore that for the rest of your life, That's tough and then it's almost like this sin is somewhat of an oxymoron in the world of faith or in the idea of faith and salvation. For those of you who don't know, an oxymoron is when HAHAHAHA Shut the freak up! Pick up a book! Go to jail! Go to jail! Go to jail! Yeah, alright. Define an oxymoron. Uh, two Two different two adjectives that mean Something totally different, describing one thing. Yo, college grad, college grad. And I'm a business major. Yo. Stalks. Stalks. Stonks. Good one. Thank you. So, we have like this oxymoron where it's like, okay, homosexuality is a sin, but everything I'm doing within the sin is based out of love. Mm hmm. Again, hold on. Hold on. Let me remind you, this kind of gay stuff that we're talking about romantic, I don't want to talk about people who are like, Oh, I just, I tried it with my dude. Like I'm straight. Oh, like, how many dudes have you met that are like, I don't know, people are weird. I've heard some weird stories and I'm like, why would you do that? And it's like, well, Just because you want to get your peepee wet or just because you want to do something or you're like, yeah It's pretty I feel like that's more common with girls. Yeah, sorry is it? It's a little bit more acceptable, and I heard something controversial but yet so brave the other day that was like people don't like gay men specifically because it's like you have the ultimate power of being a man, yet you're acting femininely. So we hate you a lot. Oh wow. I probably butchered that, but I was like, And then they're stealing what they want. Yeah, it was like you're a man. You have this. Yet you want to be feminine? Ew! We hate you. And it's like, whoa. Yeah. Because no one really questions girls that are more masculine. I mean like masculine like we wear pants. If a band was wearing a, you know, skirt, you'd be like, what the fuck? Yeah, it's a little bit more odd. That's true. That's true. I had to say that. No, I get it. I'll keep it in. I'll just edit it out. I'm like, that was so important to me. Gone. Where was I at? I'm so sorry I did this to you. But, okay. I just, I enable you um, okay, it's like an oxymoron of a sin Jesus tells us to love and do everything out of love, but then it's a sin, huh? And we go back to the verse that our pod is. based off of this test that Jesus gave us to decide what is good and what is not good what is God's will and what is sin we have this verse Matthew chapter 7 which whoa Matthew chapter 7 verse 15 verses Matthew chapter 7 verses 15 through 20, which I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna read it for the do it do it do it Yeah, everyone knows why? Why we named it the good fruit we just it's not just because it's good Silly. Fru Fruity. Fruity. Um. Apart. It's It's a play on words. It's a It's a I No. I want to see more on. It's a double entendre. Yeah! Another fun word. That was big. College! College! College! Um, okay. Double meaning. Double meaning. Verse is based off of Matthew 7 verses 15 through 20. So, um. Nope. Beware of the false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? A good tree produces good fruit and a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can't produce bad fruit and a bad tree can't produce good fruit. So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people. By their actions. Farsh. That was a long one, sorry. No, but it's I think you guys need to know. I think you guys need to know. Yeah, you need to know. You need to know, we're indoctrinating you. So you can identify people. By their actions. Farsh. That was a long one, sorry. No, but it's I think you guys need to know. I think you guys need to know. Yeah. You need to know. You need to know, we're indoctrinating you.. You're not We're not alone in here right now. Yeah, you're right. Skitty. I'm like an angel. AN ANGEL! You guys can see but off camera there's a realistic angel in the doorway. I'd be so scared. God, I'm so sorry. I'd be so scared. Make it normal. I'd be shaking in my boots. I'd be like, please make it like a precious moments angel. Casper's mom. White and flowy. I watched Casper recently. Sorry. That was a weird No, it makes sense. She's like gorgeous, beautiful, like, white gown. That's what I want in an angel. Casper's mom? Casper's mom? Yeah, Casper's mom is dead, and he's a ghost. It's but Casper looks like a ghost. Does she look like a human? Yeah. Oh. Oh. Well, Casper was a little boy at some point. I know, but he looks Even the mean ghosts are like, they used to be men. I think they got drunk, and drunk drove, and then fell off a cliff. And that's how they died, and became ghosts. We gotta stop. We gotta cut that out. We're talking about copywriting. I'm telling everyone the plot of Casper right now. I know, they're like, We're trying to get people to watch the movie. That's pretty old though. Yeah, I'm like 95 years old. Um, okay. Anyway. God gives us this test and we're trying to use this test to say, okay, is gay bad? Is it producing good fruit? and you're like, yes. It's producing love. Yeah, and it's, gay people are more likely to adopt. We want to talk about trying to ban abortions, and we want to talk about saving the kids. Well, here you are, here's these sources that will take on those kids, and They're not being treated properly. The kids that are alive in our children are, getting treated like shit in the foster system. And, it doesn't mean they're going to be saved. They're just being thrown into the system. And, Again, gay couples are more likely to foster kids, and from my perspective, mind you, there's always going to be bad apples, I'm not going to disprove that, but I feel like homosexual people have so much to work through. That when they do become a couple, they're very aware and they try their best to create a family system that is good and proper. I agree. And let me talk on this real quick because I was studying facts about this and the percentages. Shout out to the Trevor Project, um, because they do a lot of statistics on Suicide rates and what that looks like to be accepted in the home and how that affects your child, stuff of that nature. Um, but then I was looking up, the effects that having homosexual parents versus heterosexual parents, how it affects a child. And there's this guy and he did a study on it, and in the study it was showing how these kids were less likely to graduate high school, and these kids were more likely to have trust issues, and these kids were blah, blah, blah, blah. It was a lot of academic points proving that they weren't as successful in school academically as kids with Heterosexual couples. Oh really? Yes. And in relationships and attachment styles, they had more of a problem. But it was funny because first of all, the way he was writing it, I was like, I can tell your tone, I can hear your intentions. And should I say his name? I'm going to. Out him! Um, Richard P. Fitzgibbons. P. Fitzgibbons. Richard Penis Fitzgibbons. What the hell? I'm not trying to disregard your study. Yo, you put your name out there, we're gonna say it. Richard, I'm not trying to disregard your study. But From what I read, he didn't take into account that these kids are not going to come from the parents biologically. And they're most likely going to be adopted or from an already broken family where kids who come from families of this nature who are adopted usually show more signs of behavioral and Developmental learning issues. Yeah, and I'm like Screw you, Richard, because your study is skewed, and you didn't want to say that. Yeah, like, we're, yeah, that's true. Dang, you found a flaw in his article. I was reading it, and at first I was like, oh my goodness, like, no! But then I was like, It was, that article was advertised as like, Anti LGBTQ. Or was it, just like, here are some facts that I found? It was, growing up with gay parents, what's the big deal? That's the title. Oh, so that maybe makes it seem like it could go either way. Yeah, and I was like, okay, slay! And then I was reading it. like it would be something maybe less Yeah, but then I was reading it and I was like, oh, here it is. And this guy's, anyway, um P. Higgins, actually. Yeah, P. Hig Fitzgibbons. Fitzgibbons. Um, Fitzgibbons. It's Gibbons nothing. It's giving nothing. I did not see your note until Spanish two as I got. I'm bilingual, I'm not, I. Where's the Bible? Where's the library? I just, holy, that's the only book I'll read the bible. Anyway. Okay, so that was the study. Why did I say that? Oh, you're talking about the foster care and, um, adopting It's, oh, yes. And why it's good. Good for us to adopt. And this is actually something that you said a long time ago. Let's see if I remember. Let's see if I remember what I said. You talked about how gay people have been forced to look inside themselves so deeply and reevaluate their world that they often build a sense of empathy. Oh yeah, I think so. Like a greater sense of empathy than heterosexuals. And I stand for that. Yeah, it sounds shitty saying that, but sometimes I am around straight people often. And I'm like, why do you not think the same way I'd think? And I genuinely think it's because I've thought about everything from the standpoint of everyone hates me all the time. So why would I make someone else feel like they're hated by me? Or, little things like that where I'm just like. You look at the world so negatively, why? maybe it's because I've done so much negative talk to myself and negative thinking about how the world perceives me, even if it's not true, you know? Yeah, I stand by what I said all those all those years ago. No, and I stand by it and I'm an example. I'm gonna, I'm gonna use myself, um, because when I was quote unquote straight, yeah, in my straight era. Same sex attraction. Yeah. That'll getcha. But again, I was really logical by the book. And I didn't, I didn't have a lot of empathy. And I was the kind of person that was like, well, you just need to work through it and you need to get stronger. Yeah. Just read your Bible. Yeah. Get yourself better. Um, and then it wasn't until I went through this journey that I really found myself not only being more accepting of. obviously myself, and God, and what his love looks like, but overall, other minority groups, and other, other people, hearing people's stories, and being able to put myself in, myself in people's shoes It was huge. I, I thought that first, when I first became a Christian and giving my heart to Jesus, that was a huge transformation for me. Um, if you knew me before, I I had a ton of anxiety. I really did not think very highly of myself. Um, I really struggled with depression at a really young age I was bullied a lot. And when I became a Christian, I, Got extroverted and good at sports and Good at sports. Also god made you good at sports low key for a long time. I used to be like This is God's gift for me. Yeah, and then I tore my ACL. Well, that'll get that's not God. That's just an accident I mean, I don't know That's a yeah Well, yeah, that's not what this pod's about. It's about your ACL journey and how you overcame it. I'm like surprised surprised You thought this was about God? Get this out of you. I'm like building empathy. It's about me and my double ACL surgery Sorry No, that's embarrassing for real. And I have mirrors of, like, scars on my knees. Wah wah. Anyway. Sorry. That's a different story for another time because that was also part of the gay journey. Yeah. That was actually a huge part of my gay journey. It is. It forced me to, not be focused on sports and look inside myself. That's crazy. Wow. That's where I met you. Yeah. I was gonna say, I I didn't know you before. Actually, we did. You didn't know me before. Because when I met you, I was like out to my friends. We had to. So I was more myself. Yeah, we had to meet through softball. Yeah. Wow. Through our coach. Well, that. That's true. I forget, I always forget that we met through the Scorpions first. For those of you who don't know, me and Kare met. I think it was my senior year. So it had to be your sophomore. I know. I we're not that far apart, but I, sorry. It's, um, you were already at MCC or it was the summer of you getting into MCC and I was in my senior trying to get recruited by anyone. And so I was like, I need to go to a club team because they play colleges. And that's where I met you at a practice, like just refreshing. And I was like, damn. I, I can't move like that. I can't go to college. Yeah, so yeah, we knew I think about how weird that is sometimes that you were going to a completely different college and then all of a sudden My freshman year going in, you transferred in, we met that summer. Yeah, I think, I mentioned this last time, I don't know if I edited it out, but, I do feel like God really led us to this point, and I think it's silly, I think some of it's kind of like, It's a little cheesy to be like, God led us down this path. But for real, like, Ain't no way we met one time, and then left, and then came back, and we're like, okay. Yeah, well, and I think it's funny because I don't think you remember that. Because I don't think I said, hey, I'm Carrington. I think it was just like, you were just there, and so was I. Yeah. So that's kind of weird too. And then me being in softball, having to, carrying my ACL was a huge part of my story too, forcing me to sit, because I was so dedicated to sports. Again, if you guys knew me before, sports was my world and softball was my world for a long time and it took tearing my ACL to finally sit down and there was an athlete who, I forget his name, I'll have to look it up, he was a baseball player. And he, had to get arm surgery, and he was an MLB, pitcher. And Tommy? Huh? Tommy John? I don't know. Oh. Sorry. But, it's something like, the All Star Devotional on the Bible app! Oh! And he talked about how he related it to, Psalm, I think it's 43? And he's like, God, Made me down in the grass beside the river or something. It's one of those songs. Dang, I need to get better at this. Songs are cool. Yeah, look, there's, there's songs. Songs are songs. No, they're really cool. I, sometimes I see people and I'm like, do you actually like Jesus or like, do you just like the psalms? Because the psalms are dope. Yeah. I, when I don't know what to pray, I just read through them. Cause then they just come for me. Except when they get like. Burn my enemies. Oh, I haven't seen those. I'm like, huh? Burn my who for what? Yeah, cause David wrote them. Who wrote them? David, King David. Oh. He's the one that cheated. Oh, yeah. He's the one that literally killed someone. Didn't he have a ton of wives? Yes, and he also apparently was gay. He was bisexual. Oh, period. But again, we can go into that in the history of Slay David. Yeah. Um, okay. Dang. Dang. I have so much to edit. Anyway. Maybe this can be like a two parter episode. Oh! Yeah. Sure. I think that'd be fun. Okay, yeah. Uh, if you have questions, and if you want to talk with us, We set up a Google Gmail! We set up a Gmail! Marissa set up a Gmail. I did. And I'm on it. Yes! Um, so we'll, we'll post these, so be careful. Don't talk shit about me thinking she's the only one gonna see it. I'm like, Hankton's administrating it. And they're like, that one has greasy hair. That one! That thing over there. Has greasy hair. I'm like, I get it. We have a Google Drive. Not a Google Drive! We do! We do! But you guys don't care. Yes, we have a Gmail account that you can contact us. You can share your stories, questions, anything that you would want to talk about. Um, be nice. Please. Be nice. 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